Dmitry Orlov

Dmitry Orlov

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İstanbul 2.0

Update 15.05.25 17:45MSK: Russia's head negotiator Medinsky just gave a press conference which can be summarized as follows: İstanbul 2.0 will be a continuation of İstanbul 1.0 (which was so rudely interrupted 3 years ago) with the goals of eliminating the root causes of the conflict and establishing durable peace.
I interrupt regularly scheduled programming to present a bit of perspective on the direct talks between Russia and the badly damaged political remnant of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist republic as organized by the Bolsheviks Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev and inexplicably granted independence by the former Bolshevik Yeltsin (who was drunk at the time).
İstanbul 2.0 is just the second coming of İstanbul 1.0, again starring Putin's aide Medinsky and team. This afternoon they are supposed to start exercising their jowls against those of a cast of extras shipped in from Kiev. Before İstanbul 1.0 there was Minsk 2.0, and before that there was Minsk 1.0, and all of these turned out to be cynical, disingenuous efforts to delay Russian efforts at liberating territories peopled by Russians that somehow (because Yeltsin was drunk at the time?) ended up on the wrong side of an internationally meaningless Soviet-era administrative boundary.
İstanbul 1.0 was a good plan for federalizing, demilitarizing and denazifying former Ukrainian regions, but it was scuttled by the mopheaded dunce Boris Johnson on orders from Washington. He personally went to Kiev and ordered the Kiev regime to fight to the last Ukrainian. And this is exactly what the regime has been doing, with well over a million Ukrainians already dead. This fighting did not go well for the Ukrainian side and as a result of it Russia has added four new regions (Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporózhye and Kherson) — properly, through public referenda and in accordance with international law, regardless what anybody else thinks or says.
Here we come to a problem which İstanbul 2.0 may or may not help to sort out. You see, three of the four Russia's new regions happen to partially occupied by Ukrainian troops. It is incumbent on the Russian side to see to it that this occupation is temporary: securing sovereign Russian territory is a sworn duty and failure to do so is not an option. Thus, Russia can offer the Kiev regime a choice: withdraw from Russian lands voluntarily or just keep the war going and your troops will still exit these regions, but in body bags.
That is just for starters. It is also incumbent on the Russian side to achieve the stated objectives of Russia's Special Military Operation (SMO) in the former Ukraine, which are demilitarization, denazification and neutrality for the entire territory. These requirements were provided for by İstanbul 1.0, but then the Kiev regime received orders from its NATO masters to keep fighting to the last Ukrainian. Which it did. The NATO masters now think that it is time to pause the fighting, to regroup, rearm and retrain, and then to resume the mayhem; hence all the recent Western insistence on a temporary cease fire.
The problem with cease fires is that the Kiev regime doesn't control its Nazi battalions, which keep firing on Russian territory even if ordered to cease firing. The Russians proposed, and maintained, a 3-day cease fire during the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of their World War II victory over Nazi Germany, and the Ukrainian forces violated that cease fire 14.043 times. The Russians have documented these violations and are now in a position to say: "You don't seem to be any good at holding cease fires, so let's not even broach that subject again."
İstanbul 2.0 will be optional for Russia because the Russians can keep on fighting, depleting NATO weapons reserves and gradually freeing lands that were and, essentially, still are Russian in language, culture, religion and ethnic affiliation, until the objectives of the SMO have been achieved. But it doesn't appear likely that the Kiev regime would be capable of enforcing İstanbul 2.0 given that it doesn't control its own Nazi battalions; nor is it able to rein in an entire army of war profiteers that has formed around this conflict on the Ukrainian side. Thus, this conflict can only be ended through military means. If so, what is İstanbul 2.0 possibly good for?
İstanbul 2.0 can only be good for saving face — not for the Kiev regime which has no face worth savings, but for the Americans. As was publicly declared by US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the Ukraine conflict is a proxy war between Russia and the United States. It went badly and now they want it to end but they don't want to own their defeat.
Some of the Europeans (France, Britain, Germany and Poland) still seem interested in keeping the conflict going, but the Trump administration's plan is to call it "Biden's war" and to disown it as quickly as possible. İstanbul 2.0 may give it that excuse. If the Kiev regime signs it but fails to fulfill its terms (thanks to the Nazi battalions it doesn't quite control) then that will give Trump the excuse to write the Ukraine off completely and let Russia continue to clean up the Ukrainian mess while the Europeans continue holding increasingly indecisive and futile conferences on the question.
I am writing this a few hours before the meeting in İstanbul is scheduled to take place. I usually wait until the dust settles before commenting on events. But in this case the dust has already settled: Russia will only agree to measures that address the root causes of the conflict: demilitarization, denazification, neutrality, rights of the Russian population (along with other, less numerous ethnic groups). Everything else is just noise.
I hope you are right when you say: "Russia will only agree to measures that address the root causes [...]." There are others who claim to be well connected who say: "Minsk 3 ahead. As it stands, looks like Moscow is falling into a ghastly trap." Although I have to say that I have the feeling that Mr. Escobar is a chatterbox.
Christian Kohl, by "well connected" you probably mean the fake Russian patriots and assorted busybodies. Escobar is quite tiresome. He seems to think that he can find out the truth by moving around a lot and chatting people up.
Dmitry Orlov, in any case, he has good sponsors, his travel expenses must be gigantic.
If ever there was a sign, that the USA's global influence is collapsing, this sure looks like one. They just want this to end already, so they can consolidate at home and try to salvage whatever they can as the country heads for sovereign default and debt restructuring. I suspect the tariffs were a last-ditch effort to balance the books, but it obviously didn't work. Does anybody take the US government seriously any more? Only to the extent they can be bribed to hand over choice remnants of the collapsing US empire. 
As for the EU and its members, they weren't invited to the peace talks, because, you know, they don't have an army. To dispel any confusion, an army is made up of several independently manoeuvrable divisions. No EU country has more than one division. The UK doesn't even have a single deployable division. They plan to equip one by 2035. By way of comparison, Russia has 27 fully equipped, battle-hardened divisions and even collapsing Ukraine has 9 of them. 
Excellent summary and analysis. I believe both Putin and Trump would like to put this obscenity behind them and see the balance of power restored, that doesn’t include the coke quad of Comrade Z and the Euro trio.
Don Hynes, And I think Trump is making the moves that reverse the vassal state positioning, whereby UK and whoever follows in Europe, will serve the US.
Don Hynes, Trump spouts nonsense based on what's in the fortune cookie he gets on his breakfast tray. It changes from day to day.
Zelensky in Ankara
Turkish proverb: "When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace instead becomes a circus"
Trump should just have signed a contract for the industrial harvesting of Ukrainian lizard whiskers.
Вспоминаются "пророческие" слова Зеленского , посетившего после избрания его президентом "зоны АТО" , уговаривающего (!) нацистов убрать тяжелое вооружение : «Я - не лох !» . Похоже , эта неуправлямая никем сила попортит лицо и кровь Трампу(американцам) со всем окружением из Европы ещё не раз ?! В сравнении с украинскими нацистами , которые рано или поздно подадутся в бега(Европа,США...), "исламисты-джихадисты" покажутся нашим "друзьям" мелкими хулиганами .
Игорь Преображенский, помнится, он выразил эту мысль в виде вопроса: "Я шо, лох?" Таки да, Вова, ты лох.
Take a drive west outside DC past the old money stately plantations and notice all the little Ukie flags posted on fenceposts and driveway entrance columns. They purchased a war to exterminate the slavs, and that is exactly what they expect.
RedShift, they succeeded in exterminating just the Slavs who happen to like them while the Slavs who don't like them much at all gained 10 million people and the ability to exterminate them with impunity. Those stately mansions are made of ticky-tacky and burn well. Not a good result.
Trump and Zelenskyy are similar. Both actors , both want peace, and both surrounded by those who don't want peace and will have them killed if they actually get serious about obtaining peace. Thus the clown show chaos.
Dmitry Orlov, Zelensky was ready to sign up for peace until stopped by Boris Johnson, remember?
Michael Dowd, that was before he lost over a million dead and most of the really valuable territory, remember?
Dmitry,
I believe more and more that that power will not let go without a big fight, and I mean big. Just read in part Meryl Nass's news letter post this afternoon (25-05-17) on "“The real
reason for the Pandemic Agreement --….” (her substack: 
merylnass@substack.com
) and she writes directly "...."the WHO leadership, controlled by the world’s most powerful people,..." so you see who those people really are. Whe're in the Health environment here, we must not forget. The real power people - those with huge financial capacities have been used in the past to create major wars so they could profit from them and seeing the rise of BRICS are really starting to panic. Not only because of BRICS but also because they cannot hide anymore, the "media power" they used to control is now out of reach because of technology,
Harfang67, yes, the Covid thing was engineered to destroy Russia and China (while the west is saved by Pfizer, yeah) and how did that work out? Both Russia and China developed their own vaccines, not too useful (there are no useful vaccines against coronaviruses) but without any dire side effects. Meanwhile, Pfizer and Moderna have driven down birth rates and driven up death rates in the West. And now they are weaponizing Ebola. What a joke! Financial power is not real power.
Dmitry Orlov--Well, peace should still be on Zelensky's mind as another million could be lost. Anyway, neither he nor Trump can do much about peace at the present moment if they wish to remain above ground. They can only execute their mad hatter rope-a-dope strategy, i.e., act.
Michael Dowd, Zelensky clearly doesn't care about casualties.
Dmitry Orlov--Yes, true since he wants to remain above ground.
There seems to be an agenda of using the Ukraine conflict as a reason for introducing new laws and shenanigans related to confiscating property and much more: https://rwerner.substack.com/p/asset-confiscation-how-the-state
Dr Jacqueline Coccinelle, the euroweenies, no matter how they try to arm themselves, will never be able to threaten any of the major powers. Instead, they will have to start little wars with each other. Given the last few thousand years of European history, that would be par for the course. The USSR/US victory in WWII put intra-European wars on pause for 80 years but that period is nearing its end, since the USSR/Warsaw Pact are gone and the US/NATO pact is in the process of going away.
Like many of those who've been graced with eyes to see, etc. Mr Orlov, this gal has also had to reassess what she thought she knew about How The World Really Works-especially after half a lifetime of immersion in a System that has been constructed on sand. One had the sneaking suspicion, certainly: COVID lockdowns and all the related madness that descended upon my previously bucolic rural backwater in the shticks of western euroweenyland-including harmless local police constables who converted into violent, intrusive fascists at the flick of a switch-dropped the penny that something had gone disastrously wrong while we'd all fallen asleep at the wheel, cosseted in our illusiory prosperity. One of them even fondled me at the airport! (Dream on you little troll.) É voila. And here we are today watching Payback for a sneak Bioattack, followed by an intended "limited" nuclear attack on China and the RF, come a calling. Ouch. Godspeed, comrades. (But be gentle with me, sniff~!)
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